Sunday, December 16, 2012

Ventura County Busted



It's official... a crippling loss.
See Ventura County Blues





1793 Wolverton Ave, Camarillo CA 93010
3 beds, 2.0 baths, 1,229 sq ft

Sale History:05/25/2007: $512,000
For Sale: $337,900 (2/18/12)
Sold: $300,000  on 10/3/12
$300,000 - $512,000 = -$212,000, -42%

 
 

Saturday, February 18, 2012

Ventura County Bust

Here is a blast from the past. Remember this family from Ventura that had to "buy" a home?
See Ventura County Blues

Buying isn't always better than renting. Perhaps they managed to clip $174K worth of coupons. Anyway, it appears that their home-ownership amounted to renting at $2,900 / month for the loss, plus their mortgage payment of $3,500 / month, for a grand total of $6,400 / month.

1793 Wolverton Ave, Camarillo CA 93010
3 beds, 2.0 baths, 1,229 sq ft

Sale History
05/25/2007: $512,000
For Sale: $337,900 (2/18/12)
$337,900 - $512,000 = -$174,100


(assuming it sells for $337K)


Sunday, August 7, 2011

Ashley Long, Part 3

Ashley Long, Home Buyer / Knife Catcher
This was from an article featured on Jan 1, 2008, Ashley Long Part I. These mainstream media bubble articles don't provide any closure. Let's see how this one turned out.


This buyer gambler thought...
I got a pretty good deal. I know this is a low market and the house is worth more than that,”
and
It’s the only time I’m going to be able to afford to buy in Sonoma County,”
and
I can’t imagine it going down a lot lower, and eventually it has to come back up. I don’t want to gamble.”

Well, let's see how much lower it is NOW!

Here is the house:
7108 Hastings Pl, Windsor, CA
4 beds, 3.0 baths, 2,032 sq ft
APN: 163-120-052-000
Sale History:
03/13/1998: $222,500
12/07/2007: $470,000

What is interesting is that Zillow shows a Sale listed months after the initial purchase.

02/01/2008 Listed for sale $485,000
03/07/2008 Listed for sale $485,000
07/11/2011 Listed for sale $345,000

$470,000 - $345,000 =
$125,000 (-26%)

Is that a "lot lower"?

Tuesday, August 2, 2011

Jim Sinclair's Gift

Jim Sinclair said to write this down back in 2008. What fascinated me is that he not only said it would happen, but that he provided a date. But he was calling for this long before Dec '08. And if his next prediction becomes reality, are you prepared?

Read on...
Jim Sinclair's MineSet

2008-12-28: A Gift From Jim
Dear Friends,
Here is my New Years gift to you, my extended family.

There is no way that the CONSEQUENCES of the largest creation of paper money since it was invented can be avoided or even modified. Odds now favor Alf Field’s price objective (
Elliott Wave Gold Update 23, bonus article Crisis Cogitations).

January 14th 2011 to June 21st, 2012:
The best part of this gift is not the one you already know, which is January 14th 2011 (Sinclair: gold will trade at a minimum of $1650 on or before January 14th 2011), but rather the date that a new currency form will replace the form of the US dollar as you know it today which is the third week of June 2012.

Don’t laugh! Write this down and do not forget about it!

Happy (sort of) New Year,
Jim

Wednesday, July 6, 2011

Cami Noble - Throw More Money at it!!

Cami Noble, House Renter / Debt Slave / Government Servant
Now the government is giving out interest free loans to people behind on their mortgage. But if you look at the numbers, it just doesn't work.






Here is a perfect example from the video. Her mortgage is $4,000/month. Zillow shows a rent estimate of $2500/month, which is still obscene.

6710 Percethony Ct
Alexandria, VA 22315
3 bd, 2.5 ba CONDO

Sales History:
04/26/2005 $643,000 <<< CONDO
03/10/2000 $300,000

Monday, January 24, 2011

Student Loan Defaults



$58B in default
7% default rate

And, as he states, "you can't get rid of a student loan debt in a bankruptcy proceeding".

Enslaved youth of america.



Video #2: Ninja Generation & Student Loan Debt
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Saturday, January 22, 2011

David Crisp, Part 5


David Crisp
, Formerly of Crisp & Cole

The noose is getting closer!!


What timing. I posted Part 4 on Jan 16, and here is what Crisp & Cole get on Jan 21.
(thanks, AuAgPb--three of my most favorite metals, by the way)




2011-01-21: Crisp & Cole: Nine of 10 defendants appear in court
Nine of 10 defendants named in the Crisp & Cole mortgage fraud indictment unsealed Friday pleaded not guilty to the charges against them. The one exception was real estate executive David Crisp, whose arraignment before a U.S. magistrate judge was scheduled for Monday.

Eight of the nine who entered pleas Friday were released on their own recognizance on various conditions, including a requirement that they appear before a U.S. district judge for a status conference at 9 a.m. Feb. 11 in Fresno.


2011-01-21: Crisp & Cole: A timeline of events

2011-01-21: 10 Indicted in $20M Real Estate Scam
Ten people have been indicted in a $20-million wide-ranging real estate scam in California, according to the U.S. Attorney.

David Crisp, 31, was arrested Thursday night in San Diego. Carlyle Cole, 63, was arrested Thursday night in Ventura County. Julie Farmer, 42, Sneha Mohammadi, 49, Jayson Costa, 38, Jeriel Salinas, 29, Michael Munoz, 31, and Caleb Cole, 35, were arrested Thursday in Bakersfield. Robinson Nguyen, 30 was arrested Thursday in Monterey and Jennifer Crisp, 29, surrendered to authorities on Friday morning.

The 10 are being charged in a 56-count indictment with conspiracy to commit bank, mail and wire fraud, and with individual counts of mail fraud.


2011-01-21: Crisp & Cole: A who's who in the case

Sunday, January 16, 2011

David Crisp, Part 4

David Crisp, Formerly of Crisp & Cole

The noose continues to tighten!!!

Ok, I'm a bit behind on the stories, but I'm not going to forget. These two (Crisp & Cole) were main characters in the Housing Bubble Drama, and we will watch them face justice.

2010-07-01: Fifth guilty plea entered in Crisp & Cole fraud case
Christopher Lance Stovall, formerly a loan officer with the mortgage lending arm of Crisp, Cole & Associates, entered a guilty plea in federal court Thursday as part of a plea deal in a mortgage fraud investigation.

Stovall is the fifth person to take a deal in the case. None of them have been sentenced, however. Investigators have asked the court to delay sentencing to give the defendants time to cooperate with authorities in the ongoing investigation.

Stovall, 37, looked boyish despite his bald head and goatee as Judge Oliver Wanger asked him if he understood the terms of each point of the agreement, which was read aloud at the hearing in U.S. District Court, Eastern District of California in Fresno.

To each question, Stovall replied simply, "yes."

When the judge asked how he pleaded to four counts of felony mail fraud and aiding and abetting, Stovall said, "guilty," then shifted his weight from one foot to the other and looked down at the courtroom's blue carpet.
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Sunday, December 5, 2010

A New Low in High College Debt

Kelli Space (-cadet)
This is absolutely beyond belief. The ignorance in believing an education justifies this kind of expense and debt is mind-blowing. But to help defray the cost of this degree in sociology, she has a website where you can contribute to paying off her debt. Her site is called twohundredthou.com -- how sickening. Perhaps I should start a site where people could contribute towards the purchase of gold bullion, for myself, of course.

The USA truly deserves a hyperinflation event to wipe out debt, pensions, savings, etc. It will take a life-changing event to wake people up to reality.

As she states on her site:
I was 18 and the first person in my family (including extended family!) to attend college. Therefore, not only was excitement consuming me, but my parents didn't exactly know how college would or wouldn't affect my salary in the future.

Therefore? Huh? Clearly, the family needed someone with an accounting degree. Hopefully, she's the last to attend college, and perhaps they took the manual from her family on procreating.

2010-12-03: Is the College Debt Bubble Ready to Explode? (YES)
Kelli Space, 23, graduated from Northeastern University in 2009 with a bachelor's in sociology — and a whopping $200,000 in student loan debt. Space, who lives with her parents and works full-time, put up a Web site called TwoHundredThou.com soliciting donations to help meet her debt obligation, which is $891 a month. That number jumps to $1,600 next November.


In creating the site, Space, of course is hoping to ease her financial burden, but it's "mainly to inform others on the dangers of how quickly student loans add up," she said. So far she's raised $6,671.56, according to her site.

Space is just one example — albeit an extreme one — of a student loan bubble that may be about to burst. Over the last decade, private lenders, abetted by college financial aid offices, eagerly handed young people hundreds of thousands of dollars to earn bachelor's degrees. As a result of easy credit, declining grants and soaring tuitions, more than two-thirds of students graduated with debt in 2008 — up from 45 percent in 1993. The average debt load is $24,000, according to the Project on Student Debt.
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Saturday, November 20, 2010

Going, Going, Sweet Equity Gone!


It's the final chapter for Mr. Marshall Whittey. He was one of the poster children for better living through tapping home equity, telling his story on the pages of the NY Times. But his story is not unique. The sweet home equity of the housing bubble created a thriving economy, enabling an entire nation to live beyond its means. Unfortunately, all ponzi schemes must come to an end. And now, three years after the NY Times story, Mr. Whittey must give up his primary residence, which is deeply under water.

2007-11-10: Marshall Whittey
2009-08-23: Sweet Home Equity Gone Sour

Personal Residence:
404 Alysheba Ct, Reno, NV 89521
4 beds, 2.0 baths, 2,017 sq ft

Pending Sale: $235K

06/08/2005: purchase $283,900 with Universal American
03/01/2006: $30,000 HELOC with Countrywide
11/20/2006: $375,000 REFI with First Magnus
06/08/2005: $355,000 (unsure about the sales history vs HELOC/Refi)

Tuesday, October 26, 2010

Gonzalo Lira Makes a Call


Well, these are some bold predictions by Gonzalo Lira. Let's track them and see how it goes. But if it goes this way...


2010-10-26: Economics Isn’t a Dismal Science—It’s an Ersatz Religion
This will bring hyperinflation by December 2011; severe social disruption starting in Q3 of 2011 and accelerating through Q4, before really exploding in Q2 of 2012; the dissolution of the European Union by December of 2012; and very likely—insane as it might now sound—a de facto dictatorship in the United States.
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Monday, October 11, 2010

Chris Dodd, Racketeer Lawman

Chris Dodd, Part 3, Part 2, Part 1
Senator D-Connecticut

Let me see if I understand this...

Chris Dodd, saviour of the US Citizen Consumer, is responsible for hearings on the foreclosure racketeering.

Chris Dodd, friend of Angelo Mozilo, is responsible for hearings on the flawed mortgage paperwork.

Chris Dodd, friend of Fannie and Freddie, is responsible for bringing the criminal banks to justice.

Just checking.

2010-10-09: Up to 40 states plan inquiry into foreclosure data
WASHINGTON – The attorneys general of up to 40 states plan to announce soon a joint investigation into banks' use of flawed foreclosure paperwork.
...
And Sen. Christopher Dodd, D-Conn., the chairman of the Senate Banking Committee, said he would hold a hearing on the issue next month.

Thursday, September 30, 2010

Sonoma Canary, Part 3

Sonoma Canary, Part 1, Part 2

Where is the recovery?

Notices of Default and Foreclosures in Sonoma are showing no signs of slowing. And we have an impressive increase in foreclosures, with 52 more in September than August. The NODs also score a high for 2010.



NODs:
. . '08 . '09 . '10 . '11 . '12
Jan 451 . 394 . 255 . 339 . 281
Feb 513 . 468 . 380 . 293
Mar 498 . 553 . 407 . 379
Apr 509 . 497 . 354 . 275
May 505 . 491 . 389 . 285
Jun 492 . 562 . 303 . 300
Jul 460 . 615*. 275 . 228
Aug 482 . 425 . 383 . 422
Sep 191 . 399 . 419 . 355
Oct 178 . 379 . 328 . 372
Nov 241 . 320 . 346 . 353
Dec 500 . 319 . 320 . 212

* New Monthly Record
* Sep '08: CA Law SB 1137 takes effect
* Dec '08: CA Law SB 1137 FAILS

Trustees Deeds:
. . '08 . '09 . '10 . '11 . '12
Jan 164 . 166 . 181 . 190 . 179
Feb 238 . 151 . 155 . 180
Mar 221 . 121 . 209 . 207
Apr 236 . 123 . 215 . 182
May 280 . 149 . 184 . 175
Jun 324 . 271 . 169 . 179
Jul 341 . 202 . 179 . 228
Aug 372 . 231 . 188 . 204
Sep 303 . 183 . 240 . 175
Oct 195 . 210 . 192 . 161
Nov 184 . 218 . 120 . 143
Dec 229 . 195 . 162 . 145

Friday, September 17, 2010

Two (2) Owners, Whole Lot of HELOC

Foreclosed Home Sold to Two Separate Buyers
* Partying bachelors... I don't think so.

What is more bizarre and comical about this is that the reporter states that the house was initially $712,000 (video link at bottom). The current owners paid $365,000. But there is no record of a $712,000 sale for this house. THAT IS THE REAL STORY!!! MSM, WAKE UP!!!!

Here is the house:
42 Vista Encanta #42
San Clemente, CA 92672
03/11/2010 Sold $365,000
05/30/1997 Sold $168,000

There are no records of a $700K+ sale of this house. And you know what that means... livin' High on the HELOC. I would love to see the details on this because it's hard to believe they hit the home ATM for $544K!!!


2010-09-17: Foreclosed OC Townhome Mistakenly Sold Twice
SAN CLEMENTE -- A paperwork mix-up is being blamed for a real estate snafu that resulted in one townhome being legally sold to 2 separate parties.

It all started in March when Douglas Garhartt and Brandon Lively closed escrow on a foreclosed townhome in San Clemente.

It was a great deal: three-bedrooms for $365,000, well below the $712,552 owed on the loan.

Just days later an investment group, Saint John Trust, bought the home at auction.


Video: FORECLOSED HOME SOLD TO TWO SEPERATE BUYERS

Tuesday, September 7, 2010

A Gift From Jim Sinclair - Part 2

In December of 2008, Jim Sinclair offered a Gift to all CIGAs. I posted that here: Part 1. What fascinated me at the time was that he was willing to make such a bold prediction about the price of gold, well in advance. Since that time, Gold has risen about $370/oz (price chart at bottom), and I am very pleased with my accumulation. Faced with skepticism and scorn, I'm sure, Jim responded today with his absolute belief in what lies ahead for Gold.

I am not a gold bug. What I am is someone that is averse to risk. The risk I detected several years ago was in the very thing that was supposed to be our store of "wealth"... the US Dollar. The only question I'm asking myself right now is, "How much more?"

2010-09-07: Strapping In For The Big Move
Dear CIGAs,

Now that expectations for Gold at very significant prices are being offered by various rational sources, there is one thing you can be sure of. That one thing is $1650.

I am getting many emails asking how it is possible for the gold price to reach $1650 by early January.

I suspect these are far out in time, out of the money call option buyers that have done exactly what I have warned against. That is the using of options with an investment outlook.

Options are speculations that you never hold past the half way to expiry point, but instead switch to further out months if you believe in what you are doing.

Those that pre-offer gold cannot trade it at $1650 in January because of the short time versus the big moves. They clearly have never experienced the gold run in late 1979 and early 1980.

I will stand with what I have said for nearly 10 years. Gold will trade at $1650 on or before January 14th, 2011. That never made me want to buy expensive in time call options.

It has given me the courage to invest in gold without margin both in shares and bullion.

There is no doubt in my mind that $1650 will occur in early 2011. I have told you that Martin Armstrong, a master timer, feels that gold will trade higher and face a reaction in middle to late June of 2011.

The gold banks are throwing blocks to the price as we approach $1262. This is a major waste of time and money as gold is going to and through that price. The only argument is whether gold will hit $1650 in January 2011 or $3000-$5000 in June 2011.

Do you have any idea how much money has been made by those that bought gold modestly and in cash only on every reaction and sold into the rhino horns? It sounded stupid when I suggested this tactic for the wannabe traders.

I ran 22,000 long gold contracts in the New York and London markets in 1978 to 1980. Back then that was a big number. Today if I have a conviction, I simply play with everything I have and screw credit. The only credit I would use as a pro trader is options.

Those of you who follow me closely know that I am NOT kidding. This is the time when PRICE and TIME meet each other.

This is the time now as it was in 1979 that I went throttle to floor.

This is the time now as it was in 1979 that I am committing 100% of all the cash I can accumulate to what I believe in.

This is the time when all I have planned for is falling into place for the final and enormous pay day. However, I will not and you should not violate discipline, as I have always tried to teach you.

Option are never held past 50% of time left when you purchased them.

If I am wrong about gold at $1650 on or before 14/01/11 it only means gold will trade much higher than $1650 five months later.

As far as being long and wrong, that is something I definitely am not.

Respectfully,
Jim

Sunday, September 5, 2010

Gen-X/Y, Clueless again - Kerrie Tidwell


Allison Brooke Eastman & Kerrie Tidwell

What is really interesting about these stories is that these women are willing to air their dirty and stupid laundry for the whole world to see. Yes, Ms. Tidwell, more cleavage and your boyfriend will pay off your debt. Someone needs to teach her about Return on Investment.

2010-09-03: How Debt Can Destroy a Budding Relationship
Nobody likes unpleasant surprises, but when Allison Brooke Eastman’s fiancé found out four months ago just how high her student loan debt was, he had a particularly strong reaction: he broke off the engagement within three days.
...
But as the couple got closer to their wedding day, she took out all the paperwork and it became clear that her total debt was actually about $170,000. “He accused me of lying,” said Ms. Eastman, 31, a San Francisco X-ray technician and part-time photographer who had run up much of the balance studying for a bachelor’s degree in photography. “But if I was lying, I was lying to myself, not to him. I didn’t really want to know the full amount.”
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These were the questions that weighed on Kerrie Tidwell. A third-year student at the Medical College of Georgia and an aspiring emergency room doctor, she doesn’t worry so much about her ability to pay back her loans.

Ms. Tidwell, 26, is involved in a serious relationship with Stefan Kogler, an architect who is a native of Austria and living in Vienna. To Europeans, who often pay little or nothing toward their university studies, the idea of going deeply into debt to get educated is, well, foreign.

Ms. Tidwell feels no guilt about the $250,000 in debt she will probably run up, including some from a master’s degree program she completed in London, where she and Mr. Kogler met. “I didn’t acquire it because I go out and shop a lot,” she said. “It’s because I’m doing something that I’ll love for the rest of my life.”

Tuesday, August 31, 2010

Sonoma Canary, Part 2

Sonoma Canary, Part 1

In light of the recent articles about banks dragging their feet on foreclosures to avoid flooding the market, the NODs for August '10 are not forecasting a rosy picture for Sonoma. These are not healthy numbers.

And with 250,000 active Option ARM mortgages in California, this debacle has a long time to run its course. Here are 13 Charts from Dr. Housing Bubble on the weak housing market--use it wisely.

I thought this was interesting. Checking NODs and Foreclosures for September, the following name came up, repeatedly: CARINALLI. Doing a little search on the name gave me this article:

2009-09-30: Carinalli creditors respond to bankruptcy filing
One day after real estate financier Clem Carinalli declared bankruptcy, the longtime Sonoma County families whose investments helped him build a real estate empire for the most part remained either publicly supportive or silent.
- All totalled, there were about 5 foreclosures and approximately 20 NODs over the past several months for this family of investors.

43 Foreclosures to start September (through Sep 3) is a fast pace. That would yield about 301 for the month if it remains steady at that pace.

NODs:
. . '08 . '09 . '10
Jan 451 . 394 . 255
Feb 513 . 468 . 380
Mar 498 . 553 . 407
Apr 509 . 497 . 354
May 505 . 491 . 389
Jun 492 . 562 . 303
Jul 460 . 615*. 275
Aug 482 . 425 . 383
Sep 191 . 399 . 400 through Sep 29
Oct 178 . 379
Nov 241 . 320
Dec 500 . 319

* New Monthly Record
* Sep '08: CA Law SB 1137 takes effect
* Dec '08: CA Law SB 1137 FAILS

Trustees Deeds:
. . '08 . '09 . '10
Jan 164 . 166 . 181
Feb 238 . 151 . 155
Mar 221 . 121 . 209
Apr 236 . 123 . 215
May 280 . 149 . 184
Jun 324 . 271 . 169
Jul 341 . 202 . 179
Aug 372 . 231 . 188
Sep 303 . 183 . 224 through Sep 29
Oct 195 . 210
Nov 184 . 218
Dec 229 . 195

Tuesday, August 17, 2010

"Maybe it will go away"

Shawn Schlegel, uber-Realtor / Tiny-Trump
"Maybe it will go away"... say it three times, and it will be so.

This realtard is quite a piece of work. And he's doing himself quite a disservice by airing his dirty laundry. If you're the lender and you see this story, you go out of your way to nail his ass, right?

2010-08-11: I won't pay it back
“I am not going to be a slave to the bank,” said Shawn Schlegel, a real estate agent who is in default on a $94,873 home equity loan. His lender obtained a court order garnishing his wages, but that was 18 months ago. Mr. Schlegel, 38, has not heard from the lender since. “The case is sitting stagnant,” he said. “Maybe it will just go away.”

Mr. Schlegel’s tale is similar to many others who got caught up in the boom: He came to Arizona in 2003 and quickly accumulated three houses and some land. Each deal financed the next. “I was taught in real estate that you use your leverage to grow. I never dreamed the properties would go from $265,000 to $65,000.

Sunday, August 8, 2010

Holycow on Holyoke

















I'm sure this is a story repeated thousands of times... people buying houses, thinking they're getting a great deal, really proud of their decision. One of our favorite Housing Bubble Realtors Agents wrote about such a purchase, and how smart they were for it. It's easy to write with praise about these decisions when they happen, but how do they turn out in the long run? Let's take a look.

Here it is, courtesy of Sacramento Real Estate Gal:

2007-07-16: One Sacramento Neighborhood has Newcomers!
These are my new clients that just bought a home in Sacramento. They moved here from Florida and have the cutest accent.

It was such a pleasure working with them because they weren't the least bit jaded about the real estate market. They realized they were getting a good deal and jumped on it with no hesitation. The market analysis confirmed their happiness. Of course, it helped that they had done their own research online and knew the style and neighborhood of the home they were looking in.

They actually made an excellent purchase because of the following:
- they bought in a slow market
- they had done a lot (I mean A LOT) of research beforehand
- this one is the most important: the market analysis showed that homes in their neighborhood in a half-mile radius sold for anywhere between $30,000 more than they paid for their home to $200,000 more than they paid. Which means that every dollar they invest into the home will have more potential returns than say a neighborhood with a ceiling of say, $20,000 under all comps.

This is an excerpt from one of their emails:
"Thank you for all of your help and patience with this property and me! Thanks again. You are a wonderful agent."

Here is the house...

5001 HOLYOKE WAY, Sacramento, CA
4 beds, 2.0 baths, 2,155 sq ft
Year built: 1970
Sale History
11/09/2006: $326,000
Zestimate: $224,500 (Aug 8, 2010)

And here is the great big problem...

5009 Holyoke Way, Sacramento, CA
4 beds, 2.0 baths, 1757 sq ft
07/15/2010: $189,000

5101 Hemlock St, Sacramento, CA
4 beds, 2.0 baths, 2,126 sq ft
02/23/2010: $160,000

4910 Holyoke, Sacramento, CA
03/19/2010: $185,000

4906 Holyoke, Sacramento, CA
05/27/2010: $179,500

And I count no fewer than 7 foreclosures in the neighborhood, two of which are on Holyoke.
Put simply, this purchase was one of those life-impacting, bad decisions.

Addendum:
Calculated Risk just posted on a story about real estate Northeast of Silicon Valley. While it didn't touch on Sacramento, it does illustrate the continued problems in housing and unemployment in California. We've got a long way to go.
2010-08-09:
East of San Francisco: 20% Unemployment, House Prices off Sharply
In Stockton, which had one of the highest foreclosure rates in the nation, the median home price of $100,500 is down from $397,000 at the height of the boom — a stunning 74% drop.
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Wednesday, August 4, 2010

Gen-Y: Stupid is and stupid does, I guess.



$100,000 in student loans and it's not even from a "coveted" Ivy League skool (sp).

Three words...

RETURN ON INVESTMENT.



Jordan Hueseman, 25, accrued roughly $100,000 in student loans at the University of Denver earning a bachelor's degree in international business and a master's in business administration. On the job hunt, he found his graduate degree sometimes hindered more than it helped.

“At one point, I applied to Whole Foods, hoping they might see some potential for me to move to some type of management position,” Hueseman said. “The e-mail I received from them said I was far too overqualified for any of their hourly positions and as such would not be considered for a position.”

Hueseman said that after one job application, he was told he should leave his degrees off his resume. Hueseman said he was tempted to follow the advice but couldn’t bring himself to do it.